Romance in the workplace: Debate (Part – 1)
Recently we had a very interesting discussion on "My Computer Romance." What happens if one of your male employees enjoy his "spare time" with a colleague. We tried to find the following things:
1. True or false?
2. If management has the right to intervene?
3. If this is a policy, a check of these interactions?
4. And 'his personal life and nomust intervene.
5. This is a right of the individual and the organization leave it go?
I'm sure you will find this debate … find interesting.
The list of participants: Veena Dhamankar, Arun Kottolli, Vivek Raghuvanshi, gopik Rani, Madhukar Kaushik, Usha Gowri, Meera, Deepak Miglani, Puja Jhunjhunwala, S. Madhavan, Mani Rajendran, Jyotsna Cheruvu, Saumitra Yadav and Sanjeev Sharma (Himachali)
Veena Dhamankar: I recently had an experience. One of my office(female) colleagues is closely associated with a male colleague. You go to lunch together, sitting in the bus together, and together they go wherever they are. Given the numerous discussions that go much talk in the company, etc.. We live in a male-dominated organization, and only a few female employees.
One day, my president called me and asked me instead of talking to girls and persuade them that these things are not good at work. So I called her and spoke verypolitely that I have a feedback of this type and get …. etc. Do not believe what the answer was:
"I sit with this person on the bus, why not find myself comfortable with others. I like this person and this is my personal matter what others have to do with it.
It will not stop because people talk about everything. "
Gopik Rani: Option 1: – Find out if the funds a lot of potential for the project?
When you try, yes, a resource that the layer of otherProject so that we can cover this problem to some extent. But they connect with each other through chat / email / going for coffee / juice, etc.
Secondly, if a media / additional resources to try to remove the resources.
To avoid the costs of setting can be a resource in any of the other Co., are those who receive that kind of resources and the necessary resources through them the place.
Option 2: Find, know-how, and keep busy, so thatand focus more on work and spend less time during office hours.
Sanjeev Sharma: Well, like his colleague is a statement that "… I sit with this person on the bus, because I do not find that made me comfortable with other people. I like this person and this is my question, what are others do with it. It will not stop discussing this because the people ".
If I were to encounter this problem and my answer for the lady … "Ok. And your staffThe life and you are free to do anything, but if your "personal or private things" in public places … People have the right to have and to interfere in this commentary. After reaching home … Whatever you do … this is his private and personal matter, on vacation, what to do … which is your personal thing, but if you're not in office … company premises, or something in the company … given as bus … Is not a "personal" thing. You are not an individual but itrepresented our company … through your behavior and actions. Choose what you want … "One Life" or a "career in an organization."
Vivek Raghuvanshi, I think that amounts to sexual harassment * * provided there is a power relationship, ie the man is a senior and the recipient is a young girl, even if the girls are direct, ie, etc. to promote is
What do you need advice to do.
Well, if the girl is no registration for sexual harassment, I believe we are making a mountainan elephant.
However, if a lady, wine and dinner with his executive male, we should not read more than is necessary. On the other hand, you can put hidden under * * * I know * Chemical Physics
Veena Dhamankar This is not the case of sexual harassment. And 'the case, how these people behave with each other in the workplace and in spite of verbal advice, have not ceased to be involved in their actions.
Puja Jhunjhunwala: I think the wholeThe conversation took a turn for real … What I do not understand is why it is so important that the two people are seated separately in question.
I agree, we can not be bothered office gossip all the time. In my opinion, a sensitive probe could help the girls because of friendship with the man. Even speaking with the guy too … What I propose is … not call the office, also available separately.
Agree a chance meeting, perhaps next to the coffee machine, corridors and around the world … CAUSEasking them to office is more noise in the office.
Sanjeev Sharma, Vivek … I do not know where you get this notion of "sexual harassment". In this particular case … there is nothing that makes her "sexual harassment". This is a simple case of "accompaniment" in the organization and because "Talk of the Organization … HR has become, has to play its role in implementing" discipline. "As we say in our Human Resources Department … "O my street or highway." A consultationalready been done, we can have a further consultation alert the operator of both people … followed with a warning … and, finally, dismissal.
Vivek Raghuvanshi: It is not a case of sexual harassment. Tip: discharge / dismissal of the girl, and you can be sure that it will file for sexual harassment because the man (in theory) that is either a manager or director or manager.
It is not sexual harassment if there is chemistry. Can not be love is. It can not be a PlatonistValue is not. What I am saying is that if you sack or girl, if you do not get the promotion due to what the reason, and if you decide to dismiss her, or leave the home then bingo, we have a case of sexual harassment, which you will prepare and present in court and the judge later educate your organization * What is technically sexual harassment *.
Sanjeev Sharma: Nowhere in that it is said that the man or the Executive Director or VP. Inmy answer, I never said that "blind or stop one girl." I mentioned asked if both bag. I had to say never, part, that "the bag lady.
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Jyotsna Cheruvu: What he says Sanjeev is so far right that the rules of the game while you play to follow. But the question that I would like to be in an office dominated by men, where the president compound and manages human resources, why is that girlwill be the first (or sounds like it will only call)? Let it separately for both evaluation and control of the two must be equal. Perhaps the Council should proceed on the basis of seniority. Ladies First is not the way here.
And it is necessary that the girl and the boy reported that all that disturbs the environment must be seriously considered by HR.
Arun Kottolli: workplace, interpersonal relationships are a complex subject. In the story, the situation in this societylot to do with interpersonal relationships.
I completely agree that this is a situation of sexual harassment – in fact there is no element of 'Sex' involved in some form, so it is not sexual harassment, but this is a case of "discrimination in the workplace based sex. Namely, the management of discrimination against a person for the simple fact that she is a woman. If the person happened to be a man, then the administration would not have problems. (And if so, then will againdiscrimination "at work on grounds of sexual orientation) – in any case, management is at fault.
Precise view of this situation, if this event occurred in Europe or the United States, the employee could have sued the company has won at the cost of discrimination and it would be.
What is considered sexual harassment – see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harrasment
Sexual harassment is harassment or unwelcome attention of a sexual nature. It includes a series of behaviorminor offenses and annoyances to serious abuses, including forced sexual acts may be required. (Dzieci et al 1990, Boland 2002) Sexual harassment is a form of illegal discrimination, and is a form of violence (sexual and psychological) and bullying.
Do As this definition of sexual harassment, I do not think this is a case of sexual harassment, but this is a case of discrimination.
Arun Kottolli: labor relations in the United States and Europe is common. The story continuesus that companies making the policy, the interaction between men and women who seek to regulate, have failed miserably. What I propose is a company, create policies clearly quoting the Indian law of sexual harassment and discrimination at work and then a campaign to educate all employees on behavior.
HR is a process to create the legal reasons, first, before the development of strategies. The rest, such a policy is not considered, and HR gets a bad reputation. Think about thisTo improve the situation as an opportunity for the administration, rather than the possibility of developing a new policy.
To illustrate this point with an extreme example, think about what will happen if the police decide a policy to regulate how people should take to the road: What schedule should be made, the distance between steps, the distance between people, etc. I am sure which can be found with such a policy, but it is enforceable? If these are the policies of legal control? Human impactReally? – The answer is no.
Similarly, personnel policies should be developed through a process – that all policies are enforceable, legally binding, and the vast majority of staff are ready to follow him.
Arun Kottolli: Staff will follow the company policy only if:
Faith
Executive
Employees, such as political
I often come in all policies that are illegal, and people hate this policy and in fact totally inapplicable
ArunKottolli: Sanjeev, I do not agree to the solution. Basically, I see it, the lady or the gentleman in question here did nothing illegal. At the close, often or talk or sit next to a bus in India is not a crime (which is in Iran or other countries) so that the employees have done nothing wrong, and therefore the company and the Director of HR blame.
In these circumstances, the company (HR) is included with the guilt for having spoken with Ms.the first place. When you make such a declaration of a person and when they will be presented in court, the judge will be your statement as "discrimination in the workplace and your company be held accountable.
Just because a person working in a company, the person does not lose his personal life. What would be said, at some point should be extended to the employees personal life he would have to work – even in a conversation with the family then"Private Life". This policy is not to make companies look bad.
Take another example: if a person speaks to his wife / spouse to a phone line at work, was angry with this! Things ( "Personal or private" in public places … people have the right to have and to interfere in that comment.) I do not think it can be upsetting – even if the employee was making a personal thing (in a conversation with spouse) in a public place. And if you do this, you are in difficulties.
It canOpinion – because they have freedom of speech in India, but the law restricts freedom of action.
BTW, some time ago there was much talk about why people hate HR. – Hate the reason for the employees of HR is that HR is often associated with actions that are against basic human rights, and such measures are not a legal review.
Saumitra Yadav: First of all, I must pay my respects to the lady for her to stand on the basic and fundamental right of way of lifewants. Please understand one thing, not a crime, when two persons of opposite sex living together in offices where there will be no indecent behavior, which is not allowed in public, and not hinder the work assigned to them. Assuming that they are in love, so what we are can be, is the case of two consenting adults to find emotional comfort each other. You have to understand the behavior and are perfect, the result of their responsibilitiesReport.
From a commercial point of view it is necessary to see that they are in positions of senior and junior, is the oldest and thus offer additional benefits for the juniors, he deserves it or not, is the relationship hampered the careers of individual employees. As an HR person your concerns should be limited in the above two things, that's all. We must understand that is emphasized in today's competitive edge of each body and the constant search for true friend, the company's stock & Stressthese reports are the result of these situations, we need to deal with a maturity and understanding.
Marguerite: Arun, your message I felt very good. I am surprised how people say that the interference in someone's personal issue is their birthright. I do not understand how an administration, a judge of people will be (at extra marital affairs, it can or not). In cases where there is no interruption of production and they do not interfere with the public throughoutobscene, is not the headache or the duty of the administration, is recommended. The administration should work with the things on achieving its goals for the year are important, busy. In a society where they can have thousands of employees, all these things for a subject to be taken?
I think responding to these extend on these issues will not be beneficial. We need to improve the bottom lines of the origins that we are for the job. This is the main purpose for which allWe also HR) (listed in a company.
Sanjeev Sharma: In this course, the exchange of our views on this particular case … There were two things that caught my attention:
1) and the assumption Assumption: you have a chance … with some facts and you run your soul … I do not know where to get the upper hand and takes so many things. It was not the case.
2) the negativity in thought, beliefs and assumptions … acceptable in a way, but they were so wildand negative. People kept saying things like:
a. You can find out if they are married or not?
b. Find out if they have no physical relationship or not?
c. People took to the idea that man is a person of high level and the woman has sexually molested them.
d. Management is part
Sorry, you are HR professionals, trainers and coaches and can not afford to be so negative, so wild and vague in your mind. For a moment I, by default I believe that one of the AgencyFish market.
Someone said that "One of the reasons why people hate HR is that HR is often associated with activities not related to fundamental human rights and legal examination of these measures" are.
People do not hate HR, because there are policies and procedures … Limit their "personal freedom". People hate HR … because the policy did not "properly informed" or "uniform manner". I remember … Successful companiesaround the world for those companies that have "followed stringiest Code of Conduct, policies, practices and procedures are applied strict" discipline and rules.
Someone also said that "if a person speaks to his wife / spouse to a phone line at work, got angry with this. I do not think it can be upsetting – even if the employee was making a personal thing (to speak) with spouse in a public place. And if you do, you'll be in trouble. "
My answer isYes, people can disturb, even if you talk to your spouse in public places … if you speak or interact with your spouse or behavior that is created for other illnesses or disruptive focus and concentration of others. Go to any popular restaurant in the United States and talk to your spouse out loud … You know what I mean.
Talk to your spouse during office hours (if you're not in the same office) … is OK, but if these conversations or interaction is regular and frequent… Then again, it comes under the code of conduct "of society. If your boss finds out that almost every day and most, though talk to your spouse … You are right to raise its objections. When the master and I'm doing something similar in my department, I take no stress or make noise, call the person in the cabin and say: "I'm leaving he paid leaves, take as many as you want to go. You talk with your spouse … interacting with the spouse with the spouse … … do what you wantto do, and once again there will be 'replaced by'.
If I were a company … Are in the business and my main concern is to make a profit is … make my company a name worldwide. I respect the personal lives of my staff and even their private lives, but I'm not there to charity. I tolerate, or for that matter, not a company that its "employees enjoy their personal life at the expense of society."
In this particular case, is really none of what these people, but now worriesis disturbing other … disturb the concentration and attention of others … work-environment, and therefore reprehensible. Every freedom is a good, if that is the freedom they enjoy, within certain limits … within range of the discipline. Freedom without discipline can lead to destruction and damage.
Madhukar Kaushik: Saumitra, and sell it under consideration and other similar reviews, it is easy enough for any advice from us, Veena, but it's a difficult situation for them – they can simplypreach its president, defense, what's up.
Supports the validity of such a relationship openly practiced, do not forget the context in which we live. I have many pairs of men and women, seen in an office, in the same department, but not even show their relationship. Essays are those who know where their Lakshman Rekha is drawn up.
Indian company will take many years yet to Americanized (not talking about MetroCity)
As the concluding remarks Arun Kottolli: Basically, I think, is a cultural issue here. I come from a cultural background that encourages strong individuality, and company policies are designed with this. But India is a collectivist, which is more widespread and important – as a result, the measures are designed with the collective. BPO / Call center examples show the collective mentality and the policy will be implemented in thisDirection.
In this example, I think that speaks Sanjeev, comes mainly from the background, the need for collective benefits on the rights of people to decide. And I believe that recognizing the rights of individuals.
Girl in conversation with a man or vice versa, as in this case – which does not refer to physical contact or a decrease in job performance, it is not illegal under the law and society is therefore a policy to ban them.
When two people to exchange confidentialInformation, or spoiled in a physical act in public places – this is illegal. You can create a policy to prevent such activities.
With much love and care
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